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	<title>Comments on: I Don&#8217;t Need No Fancy HDR! Okay, Why Not?!</title>
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		<title>By: ismolbil</title>
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		<dc:creator>ismolbil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 20:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my point of view, I think surreal HDR is good as it is good to create &quot;real&quot; HDR photos. That is probably why many of those photos sprang out to the net. 

But what is bad about the surreal HDR is that, beginners tend to misunderstand the concept (or probably don&#039;t know the concept at all) and create hideous versions of the supposed &quot;good&quot; photo. They say it is HDR. But I see one picture with a lot of noise and the details aren&#039;t even there! But yeah, surrealistic. Fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my point of view, I think surreal HDR is good as it is good to create &#8220;real&#8221; HDR photos. That is probably why many of those photos sprang out to the net. </p>
<p>But what is bad about the surreal HDR is that, beginners tend to misunderstand the concept (or probably don&#8217;t know the concept at all) and create hideous versions of the supposed &#8220;good&#8221; photo. They say it is HDR. But I see one picture with a lot of noise and the details aren&#8217;t even there! But yeah, surrealistic. Fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Far Seeing Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Far Seeing Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 22:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out CHDK - of course, this is only if you use a Canon point and shoot and then again only if it&#039;s one of the ones supported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out CHDK &#8211; of course, this is only if you use a Canon point and shoot and then again only if it&#8217;s one of the ones supported.</p>
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		<title>By: John Conners</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Conners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I agree. As I said in the comment above I&#039;ve changed my viewpoint on HDR since I wrote this. My friend Ade&#039;s done some amazing work using HDR:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/19485245@N00/sets/72157602458952063/

It&#039;s definitely got its place and certainly with the sort of photography you&#039;re talking about there&#039;s no alternative if you want it to look its best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree. As I said in the comment above I&#8217;ve changed my viewpoint on HDR since I wrote this. My friend Ade&#8217;s done some amazing work using HDR:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19485245@N00/sets/72157602458952063/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/19485245@N00/sets/72157602458952063/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely got its place and certainly with the sort of photography you&#8217;re talking about there&#8217;s no alternative if you want it to look its best.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Gard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Gard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think HDR has its place. Yes I may be biased since most of the photos I make need to be realistic, but it seems that nowadays, people are too lazy to spend the time to get the proper exposure. They just throw it into Photomatix to get a cool looking photo that appears to have the proper exposure. I have had some of my best photos come from times I was planning on using HDR because of the dynamic range, but after looking at the raw files I realized that with a little work I had a better image than I could ever possibly get with HDR. But whenever I&#039;m having to quickly turn out 30 interior images for a client, its much faster to use HDR than to manually fix windows in Photoshop or set up strobes to raise the light level of the room. Same for fine art photography or any other instance when you don&#039;t want your photos to look realistic, HDR is great. That&#039;s just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think HDR has its place. Yes I may be biased since most of the photos I make need to be realistic, but it seems that nowadays, people are too lazy to spend the time to get the proper exposure. They just throw it into Photomatix to get a cool looking photo that appears to have the proper exposure. I have had some of my best photos come from times I was planning on using HDR because of the dynamic range, but after looking at the raw files I realized that with a little work I had a better image than I could ever possibly get with HDR. But whenever I&#8217;m having to quickly turn out 30 interior images for a client, its much faster to use HDR than to manually fix windows in Photoshop or set up strobes to raise the light level of the room. Same for fine art photography or any other instance when you don&#8217;t want your photos to look realistic, HDR is great. That&#8217;s just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: John Conners</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Conners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, since I wrote this article I realised that HDR can, as you say, let you create very realistic shots that don&#039;t look like HDR, they look exactly like they look in the real world but can&#039;t be captured so well in a single shot.

That&#039;ll teach me to jump to conclusions too quickly without fully understanding and researching the issue!

They&#039;re some lovely shots you&#039;ve linked to there and if I didn&#039;t know I&#039;d never have guessed they were HDR, which is what you&#039;re saying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, since I wrote this article I realised that HDR can, as you say, let you create very realistic shots that don&#8217;t look like HDR, they look exactly like they look in the real world but can&#8217;t be captured so well in a single shot.</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll teach me to jump to conclusions too quickly without fully understanding and researching the issue!</p>
<p>They&#8217;re some lovely shots you&#8217;ve linked to there and if I didn&#8217;t know I&#8217;d never have guessed they were HDR, which is what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Daninmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daninmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you said:
&quot;Thing is though, it&#039;s unreal - the actual scene didn&#039;t look anything like this and was a bit of a nothing shot really.&quot;

But that is not the fault of the &quot;HDR&quot; technique. That is the fault of the person executing the HDR technique.

If you desire you can create very unrealistic results with HDR, or you can create very realistic looking results.

Look at these: &lt;a href=&quot;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1291/639883885_99173ce15e.jpg?v=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1291/639883885_99173ce15e.jpg?v=0&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/heliophile/629204097/in/pool-realhdr/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/heliophile/629204097/in/pool-realhdr/&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/chjphotography/624160309/in/pool-realhdr/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/chjphotography/624160309/in/pool-realhdr/&lt;/a&gt;
Those are very realistic looking images that would be impossible without using HDR.

Looking through your photostream it looks like you have decided to do some realistic HDR. Very nice!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you said:<br />
&#8220;Thing is though, it&#8217;s unreal &#8211; the actual scene didn&#8217;t look anything like this and was a bit of a nothing shot really.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that is not the fault of the &#8220;HDR&#8221; technique. That is the fault of the person executing the HDR technique.</p>
<p>If you desire you can create very unrealistic results with HDR, or you can create very realistic looking results.</p>
<p>Look at these: <a href="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1291/639883885_99173ce15e.jpg?v=0" rel="nofollow">http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1291/639883885_99173ce15e.jpg?v=0</a><br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/heliophile/629204097/in/pool-realhdr/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/heliophile/629204097/in/pool-realhdr/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chjphotography/624160309/in/pool-realhdr/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/chjphotography/624160309/in/pool-realhdr/</a><br />
Those are very realistic looking images that would be impossible without using HDR.</p>
<p>Looking through your photostream it looks like you have decided to do some realistic HDR. Very nice!</p>
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		<title>By: fotobydave</title>
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		<dc:creator>fotobydave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone used this technique would we become unsatisfied with the real thing?   Perhaps the most horrible example is should Playboy start using this ... I just can&#039;t bear to think about it!  ... you say, they do? Those College girls are not real ... they don&#039;t look like that!   Life is not worth living .... :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone used this technique would we become unsatisfied with the real thing?   Perhaps the most horrible example is should Playboy start using this &#8230; I just can&#8217;t bear to think about it!  &#8230; you say, they do? Those College girls are not real &#8230; they don&#8217;t look like that!   Life is not worth living &#8230;. <img src='http://johnsadventures.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m ambivalent about HDR.  The eye has a far greater dynamic range than any film or digital sensor, so much of the skill getting a good exposure is in managing the limitations.

In theory HDR allows us to get closer to what the eye really sees. But I think it falls down in two ways, one is that most people use HDR as a special effect rather than to overcome dynamic range limitation (we&#039;ve all seen HDR images with that slightly surreal, painterly look);  the second is that generally when you try to reproduce a scene in a photo it is a subjective, rather than objective reality that you are aiming for.

In that sense the limitations of traditional photography work for you not against you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m ambivalent about HDR.  The eye has a far greater dynamic range than any film or digital sensor, so much of the skill getting a good exposure is in managing the limitations.</p>
<p>In theory HDR allows us to get closer to what the eye really sees. But I think it falls down in two ways, one is that most people use HDR as a special effect rather than to overcome dynamic range limitation (we&#8217;ve all seen HDR images with that slightly surreal, painterly look);  the second is that generally when you try to reproduce a scene in a photo it is a subjective, rather than objective reality that you are aiming for.</p>
<p>In that sense the limitations of traditional photography work for you not against you.</p>
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